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of each other to vote for ronald reagan because he crafted a beautiful economic message that showed that capitolism was for everybody. we're not doing that. we need an economic message that does those things. the republicans can't -- people will say, well the democrats start out with 230 electoral votes, why don't you become a pro-choice party or pro-gay marriage, and there are people who think about these things strategically. you lose the base. we can't afford to lose the southern base. >> michael: jack, that's like saying in the 50s well you're a preschool integration party, well, we don't want to do that because we'll lose our base. there has to be a point where you go along with the country? >> yes, and no. the 50s -- the electoral map was very different in the 50s. the republicans today are very dependent on a southern base. in the 50s the map was much more torn up. now you have regional parties competing. what you have are two parties that play exclusively in certain regions. the republicans are dependent on a base so it's much harder to do that now than in
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